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Michelle, what rock do you live under? You are quite cold in your responses. Sure, anti-depressants are the answer for everything because infertility is an "emotional" problem. Unfortunately, no amount of drugs will fill the hole. Something you will never, ever, understand. You should count yourself lucky you don't know this pain. However, my guess is, you believe your BS so much that if you were in our shoes, you'd still sing the same song and dance. You lack emotion. You feel my tax dollars which paid for the collective OHIP dollars should cover YOUR child's glasses? Interesting. How about I talk your "language" for a moment. Read the findings which our gov't paid to have done. YOUR tax dollars paid to just look into the possibility of IVF funding. Do you know what they found out? Ya, you do, you read this article. In the end, OHIP would be spending LESS of the funds overall as the rate of multiples would decrease as compared to normal healthy singleton pregnancies. Do dollars and cents make sense enough for you or are you too dense to understand even that?
I wish I could live under your rock. I could never wish this pain on anyone. You are a rude, cold, ignorant person. I am SO happy I don't have the honour of ever knowing a person like you.
It will be interesting to see if this funding will extend to "infertile" same-sex couples.
Being a couple who has gone through spiritual, herbal, diets, AND IVF/ICSI, when we heard this news, we contemplated moving to Quebec!! That is how desperately we want a child. We cannot afford another go at IVF and instead of funding procedures like a sex-change on tax dollars, why NOT fund something that affects 20% of the population? We have cried and ached so much to have a baby... those people who have children... if only you could empathize... think how your life would be like without your children before you say that funding such a procedure is a waste of tax payers dollars ... children are our future, and without your children, just think of that and place yourselves in our shoes for just a moment... your heart would be breaking as ours are. If it ever was to be funded in our province, it would be too late for us, but at least other couples hurting as we are, would benefit. Why should having a child through IVF be only for the rich... do we not all deserve to have a child, hold a child?
I feel this is a great thing!
I say this as the parent of adopted children. We borrowed large sums of money in order to adopt after being unable to have children of our own. We also went through IVF treatments...also expensive. Nonetheless, I DO NOT support the idea of funding IVF treatment. Is it unfair that we were able to borrow the money to try these expensive treatments while other do not even have the financial resources to secure such a loan? Perhaps it is. But is it the only thing that is unfair in life? Is it the only time that money does not have its advantages? Absolutely not. As we here more and more about the economic disasters that are Greece, Spain and Portugal and consider how much their governments spend, do we not understand that as unfair as it might be, we may have to accept some of these situations for what they are. We simply do not have the financial resources to change everything...and Ontario's finances are not in that great shape right now. I, for one, would oppose an increase in public expenditures to fund IVF treatments on that ground alone. Add to that the fact that the success rate of these treatments in incredibly LOW! We are selling false hope in most instances and trust me...it hurts like hell when you are told a treatment did not work. Through on the fact that there is some concern that the high dosages of hormones used in IVF treatments may pose a cancer risk and people think the government should fund this??? Sorry...but if the only argument you have is that it allows the government to regulate how many embryos are planted, just pass a rule limiting that. Do NOT tell me we have to fund it in order to put such a limitation in place.
Obviously those without children feel it absolutely necessary to lambast a person for posting a comment on a webpage. Feel better now I hope. In your haste to rant about how unfair life has treated you, you forgot your kindergarten lessons in reading. The above article is not the only news there is and what I said goes....We as taxpayers pay enough for other people as someone has mentioned already aka welfare. Another poster of course misread that as support for people on welfare....illiteracy does have its hold on our population. As to infertility being a choice.....where did you read that? I stated not having children was either a choice or an impossibility, nothing about infertility.....again, taking the time to put the tissue down and read would have taken your argument in a more LEGIT direction. Women who cannot have children do have options like adoption, fostering that don`t cost taxpayers money and don`t hand me that trite an tired 'but we want our own child'. Tell that to the children without parents. And yes, I do have a child who came along after a decision never to have children. I was then faced with a choice and this is the one I chose. Did I desire one to the extent I would demand money from strangers to get him? Never. If it is going to happen, it will. And I stopped at one child because of how I feel about overpopulation.
What is really sad and pathetic is that you all totally, due to your over emotional state, missed salient points like "Not having children when you want them affects emotions which can be treated but it does not constitute a medical problem that requires taxpayer money. I repeat, reproduction is a choice for individuals not a provincial responsibility" which is the gist of the contention and " How can we be expected to pay for someone to pop out a kid when these basic needs are not being met by OHIP? These are actual day to day issues that affect EVERYONE not just a minority.( By the way any optometrist will tell you to get an eye exam every two years and glasses should be replaced every 3-5 hence the mention in my comment.) Get a grip on your overly heightened states of self-importance and realize that no one cares about your problems but you. Harsh that may sound but it is called living in reality. Don't believe me, fine. Disagree with me, fine. At least gather all facts before doing so....makes you look less defensive.
This msg is in response to michelles. How narrow minded are you? You go on about how you need to pay for your sons glasses and dental care but fertility treatment is not your problem. Clearly you have never know the heart break of trying to have a baby. Or repeated losses of pregnacy due to a ligit medical condition.( feel free to look up Factor V Leidden and tell me I chose that.) And every single treatment i have had has been paid out of pocket. On top of that i have paid into our OHIP fund every single paycheck of every single year i have worked. In addition to that i have group benefits which i pay into on a regular basis which also do not cover any of my treatments. Travel expense time missed from work are also an out of pocket expense. Now ask your self who pays for abortions, Guess what... that is funded by OHIP. So before you stick up your nose at Quebec funding IVF take alook at those who spend thier life savings for the mere hope of having a baby and those who are spending your taxs dollars to toss that chance away. Good for Quebec for funding IVF. I can only hope Ontario will follow!
The “guise of infertility being a medical condition”?
Just what do you actually think infertility is? Let me help you out in your obvious confusion. Infertility is a disease, a bona-vide medical condition, and almost always due to involuntary causes. Yes, it is an actual disease (according to the medical community anyway, maybe they didn’t get your memo setting them straight).
And “our money” , uh, guess what? Infertile Canadian’s pay taxes too, and it is “their” money too. Yes, having one child, two, six or none, is a personal choice, but having a medical problem/disease that affects your physical reproductive ability to do so is NOT a choice. Infertility is no different from any other health issue that is covered by the health care system and should be treated equitably and fairly. Infertility is actually a “dire” problem. Infertility affects a major life activity, a major bodily function, it has significant day to day affects on the lives of those affected, it affects relationships, careers and more, and it potentially affects one’s entire life.
And by the way, just who paid when you had a child with your healthy functioning reproductive system? HINT: your pregnancy was covered by “OUR” collective money for your prenatal and delivery care needs.
And if you are personally so concerned about world over-population, shouldn’t you have forgone having a child yourself?
i like how you go on about how ridiculous this all is and at the end you mention eyeglasses for your son. you had a child, what you do if your child were gone? to what lengths would yo go to have one? right now IVF is available only to the rich that can afford to 10k for ONE go at it. and often you need more than one go at it. don't preach to me about how ridiculous IVF funding is when you have held your own babe in your arms and known the joy of having him! with regulated IVF it will prevent multiple births. right now mulitple embryos are injected because couples need 'one' to take. with regulated IVF they will inject only one or two embryos because couples will have another chance at it if need. and if you had read the article you would've seen they said each couple will have up to 3 treatments, not 5 or 7. glasses are affordable, though kind of expensive and they last for a long time. so 300.00 over 8 years isn't that much. not many people can afford the 10k up front for IVF for a 30%c hance of having a baby. did you also know that without all the immigrants canada's population would decrease every year. and please don't talk about overpopulation when you yourself have a child
I read the other comment, and shake my head, silly!!! How is it okay that taxpayers pay for welfare??? Its okay for lazy people that dont want to work go on welfare, and us taxpayers pay for it?? Regardless, if it wasn't IVF treatments that taxpayers are paying then it would be something else!! The government decides, not us, unfortunatly we have no say either way. Props to the government for funding IVF i think its a great idea!! Have a heart people!!!
With this Big Daddy phenomenon sweeping away the will of individuals in this province comes more and more demands for the gov`t to fix this and change that oh and by the way gimme, gimme, gimme more. Now, we have more people standing in line with a hand out, a weak argument and no far reaching thinking being done. Now, people want us to start funding fertility treatments under the guise of infertility being a medical condition and therefore deserving of our money. They say we will save money by spending money on their cause and they justify their skewed thinking thusly: (as seen on CHCH)
-right now twins and more multiples are a fact and with funding this would no longer happen.
-right now premature multiples can be ill and afflicted with disabilities and with funding this would no longer happen
-because OHIP partially covers some cases of infertility –due to blocked fallopian tubes—OHIP should fund it all
Does any of the previous statements make sense to anyone? If fertilization could be done in such a way to guarantee a single, live, healthy birth, why isn’t this miracle being practiced worldwide? Multiple births have been on the rise BECAUSE of IVF and I really can`t see how funding from OHIP changes that....As for OHIP funding treatment when there is a blocked fallopian tube, we should not pay for that either.
I have sympathy for those who are physically incapable of reproducing but I am not paying for them to make 3, 4, 5 or more visits to a doctor to change that fact. It is either a personal choice to not have children or it is a physical impossibility. Infertility is not a dire problem but is a sad fact. Not having children when you want them affects emotions which can be treated but it does not constitute a medical problem that requires taxpayer money. I repeat, reproduction is a choice for individuals not a provincial responsibility.
I really cannot believe or condone the audacity of the demand for our money, especially to increase the population of an already overpopulated world. I certainly cannot support that cause when other medical treatments are not covered by OHIP. Eyesight and oral care are two examples of necessary care that is not funded by the gov`t unless you are on welfare. Using myself as an example: I cannot drive, read, walk, work or do anything requiring sight without my glasses but I must pay $100 for an eye exam and then $300 for my glasses. I have had the same glasses for eight years because of the expense and now my son needs glasses that I must pay for out of my pocket.
Poor eyesight is a medical condition and glasses are a necessity and yet, we pay for it. Oral care is very important for our general health and yet, we pay for the trips to the dentist. How can we be expected to pay for someone to pop out a kid when these basic needs are not being met by OHIP?